Posts by Cold Steel

27

So I woke up and Trump was president

by notalone in

so i live in the u.s. i had family that lived in germany when hitler came to power.

i had family that was in london during the blitz.

being raised as a witness i was obsessed with everything having to do with the rise of the nazis.

Cold Steel

Village Idiot » With Trump we have a grossly pathetic excuse of a human being.

Well, let's not forget Hillary. Murder, corruption, witchcraft, pathological liar and lousy human being. I'm perfectly willing to admit the foibles of people, and Trump has plenty. But if I was going to leave my kid with one of the two, it would be Trump every time.

I was horribly offended with the infamous 2005 recording, but when it comes to swearing and vulgarity, again, Hillary leaves Trump in the dust. The other night, Hillary failed to concede the election and just went home, leaving her friends and supporters hanging. She had Podesta issue a poorly worded statement refusing to concede and left the premises in a state of rage and despair. Even when she called Trump to concede, she didn't notify the media, she left it to Trump. Anyone can understand why she would feel disappointed, but her feelings of entitlement, hatred (and actually they despised each other) and self absorption kept her from thinking of those who had supported her and worked so hard to elect her.

And that was sad.

193

Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Cold Steel

Wolfman85 » The great tribulation foretold in Mathew 24 had its fulfillment in 70AD when Rome destroyed Jerusalem. No such thing as a double fulfillment. It happened already and won't happen again. Those words from Jesus Christ were told to the first Century Jews.

I don't believe the great tribulation of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. First, the Roman invasion didn't happen suddenly. In fact, it was put on hold early on when Vespasian had to rush back to Rome, leaving his legions in the hands of his son, Titus. Many other aspects of the prophecy also weren't fulfilled:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Romans were responsible for the dispersion of Judah, which the Old Testament prophets had predicted. But in the latter days, Judah would be restored to its ancestral lands and then war would again rage against Jerusalem. This is when the great tribulation of Matthew 24 would come to pass b because it would culminate in the return of Jesus and with Him being recognized as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Go to Ezekiel 38-39, which describes this war and mark the number of times it refers to the people of Judah as being gathered from the dispersed among the nations. Only in our day could this be true since never before in history had Judah been dispersed among the nations of the earth.

So the great tribulation could not have yet happened. But stay tuned.

27

So I woke up and Trump was president

by notalone in

so i live in the u.s. i had family that lived in germany when hitler came to power.

i had family that was in london during the blitz.

being raised as a witness i was obsessed with everything having to do with the rise of the nazis.

Cold Steel

Today, I am feeling dazed and a little numb. I know evil exists and is more common then we want to think but, I have met so many kind people since I left. What I've been personally experiencing seems so different from what has happened here. I am not debating ideas about which style of governing is best, I am just talking about humanity, kindness and respect..

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I felt vibrant and invigorated. With Hillary on the threshold of being President, I was greatly fearful of a war with Russia (newsflash: Putin wasn't joking when he tried to warn the West and the American media and Obama/Clinton treated him like a third-rate Muslim country. Our own military establishment was warning Obama and Clinton that Putin was dead serious, but neither was taking him serious.

We also faced tens if not hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees from war torn areas of the world with no way of vetting them. This is exactly how France and the U.K. got in the situations they are. Many refugees are fine people, but also many are not. Why is someone deemed hateful for advocating sound immigration policy? Trump also never called Mexicans rapists (that was an invention of mainstream media). He only wishes to enforce laws already on the books.

Finally, as far as I know, Trump has never had anyone killed. The Clintons have been very fortunate in having a sizable number of their enemies commit suicide, have fatal accidents, get beaten up or die in suspicious plane crashes. And having lived through Clinton I, I've seen enough lying, scandal and corruption to last me (not to mention living through George W. Bush).

Having studied a good deal about Hitler, I think you should have no problems making it a Trump administration. You might actually enjoy it.

20

Hillary Clinton Winning total vote count but loses the Election

by RubaDub in

do those of you outside the usa find it odd that in a presidential election, the total number of people casting votes means nothing?

there is a method we use here called the electoral college based on each state rather than the total votes cast by actual people.. this is, i believe the 5th time in america's history that the person with the most votes lost the election (the last was in 2000 when al gore beat george w. bush by about 400,000 votes but lost the election).. so hillary (at the moment i last checked) had overall about 200,000 more votes nationwide but lost.. i'm sure a lot of people in other countries scratch their heads when they see this happening.. rub a dub.

Cold Steel

It only makes sense when you realize why it was implemented, but yes, it does seem pretty strange.

193

Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Cold Steel

TakeOffTheCrown » It appears that Trump has won a victory that no one expected. Is it possible that Trump may play a part in the Great Tribulation?

The Great Tribulation appears to be an event limited only to the Middle East. It's a 7-year period leading up to the epic battle for Jerusalem (Ezekiel 38-39, Zechariah 12, 14, Revelation 11). The Lord told the prophets that He would bring the warlord Gog and "all nations" down upon the city of David, to his own death and their destruction. This warlord would be from the north, some say Russia, others, Turkey. That would seem to eliminate Trump from the equation. And based on Muslim eschatology, I believe Gog will come out of Turkey and a revived caliphate. It's what ISIS is trying to bring about. They see a massive Muslim war and a decisive victory with Israel as an inevitable event. Ezekiel tells us the nations that will be involved and they're all modern day Muslim countries. For such a war to take place, the third temple must be built and the United States must be removed from being able to interfere. So no, I don't think Trump will be a part of the great tribulation.

There are some who believe Trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the United States. Trump seems to be surprised by his victory. It is as if someone has pushed Trump forward.

Yes, and he may yet go down as a great President. Obama was seen as qualified, but many view him as easily the worst President the U.S. ever had. If Trump surrounds himself as with good people and respects the Constitution, he can be a super President.

16

What if one of the GB members suddenly needed blood?

by StarTrekAngel in

there is not much to be analyzed.

in a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself.

he would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin.

Cold Steel

You'd have to know each of them. If Jehovah had wanted to exempt the medical use of blood when He gave His law, how would He have done it? He couldn't have! So their argument is ridiculous. If they're really plugged in to the power Cosmic, God could let them know that medical uses for blood were okay, but that "spirit cooking" is out! And if they're not plugged in, what good are they? They're supposed to be the faithful and wise servant, but instead are blind guides leading the blind! They can tell us that government suppression of Bible students in 1919 was the fulfillment of Revelation 11's two prophets being slain on the streets of Jerusalem, but they can't tell the people whether the medical use of blood is permissible. Amazing!

10

Starting a 'Bible Study' - The Basics

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.

i was brought up in a fairly fundie sect (pb) and have been for many years an interested atheist.

i am an admirer of the work of bart ehrman (and recommend his blog).. from time to time, jws call at my door and invite me to partake in a 'bible study'.

Cold Steel

TTWSYF » So if I wanted to study the bible, wouldn't I want to go to the folks who gave us the bible?

The Catholics didn't actually "give" us the Bible. They compiled the Bible. The first century Christians had an open canon of scripture, not the 66 books we have today. Catholicism also included some apocryphal books that were of dubious value and rejected some books that were originally considered scripture. In fact, the book of Revelation barely made it into the collection, and yet today it's one of the most discussed and written about books in the Bible. Today the sanctity of the closed canon is based largely on an agreed-upon acceptance by which the various sects of Christendom are governed. But there's nothing to keep sects from adding/deleting to/from those books if they see fit. Two books I've never been fond of are Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon. Neither have teachings or prophecies of value to the church (except the one verse in the former that the Adventists use to justify its soul sleeping doctrine). The scriptural restraints on adding to or deleting from holy writ applies only to the individual books, not to the manmade compilations of books.

78

A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Cold Steel

Nichlaou: » But the kindest, most rational Christian just cannot escape Paul's logic quoted above; if Christ is not risen your faith is in vain. The absurdity of all this is that faith is required to believe the very thing that makes faith futile.

I'm missing the absurdity. Are you saying that the very idea of a resurrection is absurd? Or are you faulting Paul's logic? Obviously Paul is arguing that Christians who don't believe in a physical resurrection are being inconsistent. If Jesus did not die and if he wasn't resurrected, then the whole fabric of Christianity doesn't jibe. Christian miracles include the virgin birth, the visitation of angels, turning water into wine, the healing of a man who was born blind, the feeding of the multitude, raising of the dead (a type of resurrection) and Jesus' resurrection in the flesh. How is any of this different than leaving the flesh at death and continuing on as a spirit?

31

1000 Years is Like 1 Day?

by Sorry in

anyone else hear about this.

as all j-dubs know, whenever someone complains about how long the "new system" is taking too arrive, they use the excuse that jehovah works on his own time.

quite a few times during the public talks, i've heard speakers say the phrase "1000 years to us is only one day to jehovah" (my parents never stop talking about this).

Cold Steel

Sorry » "1000 years to us is only one day to Jehovah."

Then they are right...Armageddon will happen any day now!

114

"The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

by smiddy in

that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

" "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

Cold Steel

“The Governing Body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in Doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .”

Interesting admission given the Lord’s admonition: “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” (Matthew 15:14) The GB statement is a tacit admission that the leadership are blind guides. And though that may be, members may still be hauled in front of a judicial committee if they buck the system.

But why?

If they can be wrong in some points, why can't they be wrong about soul sleeping, shunning, blood transfusions and crosses? Or the year Jerusalem was destroyed? They might be wrong on everything!

What good are they if they're not connected? Plugged in?

How can they feed and take care of Jehovah's household if they don't have the keys and the credit cards?

Jesus said He would reject many who claimed to serve Him, saying, "I never knew you!"